Curse

stevedallas · Aug 07, 2009, 03:25 AM // 03:25

The community invests entirely too much time and aggravation in discussions about AB. There are too many leechers, too many bots, too many people leaving.

The only solution for this would be a radical change that would permanently alter the faction system.

Here's an idea for a change to the Luxon and Kurzick titles...

1. Change them to character based
2. Make faction ridiculously easy to attain through means other than AB
3. Change faction earned through vanquishing an area to be based on the alliance that currently controls the outpost you enter the explorable area from.

Make these two titles throw-away titles, as simple to attain as the Protector titles.

This should stop botters, leechers and leavers in AB. The only people you'd have in AB would be:
1. People who are interested in moving the Kurzick-Luxon border
2. People interested in the Balthazar faction
3. People who love AB

Considerations:
1. Faction required to buy allegiance skills - raise it from 3k to some higher amount that would be equally easy to maintain when we're all drowning in faction under the new system
2. Faction required to maintain an outpost - while alliances would need to maintain higher faction to maintain an outpost, their ability to attain that faction would negate the issues caused by this.

Evasion Twenty · Aug 07, 2009, 03:37 AM // 03:37

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Originally Posted by stevedallas

3. Change faction earned through vanquishing an area to be based on the alliance that currently controls the outpost you enter the explorable area from.

No....just no.

So only if you own that outpost you get faction? lolololololol.
And it'd just encourage botters more.

Accursed · Aug 07, 2009, 03:44 AM // 03:44

Horrible idea is horrible.

/unsigned.

stevedallas · Aug 07, 2009, 03:47 AM // 03:47

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Originally Posted by Evasion Twenty

No....just no.

So only if you own that outpost you get faction? lolololololol.
And it'd just encourage botters more.

No, so if the Luxons own the outpost you leave from, then you earn Luxon faction.

afmart · Aug 07, 2009, 04:00 AM // 04:00

hell no, the only title that needs a little improvement is drunkard

about AB it migth need some improvements but the main problem is abusing players

to gain allegiance i prefer jade quarry ^^

Dusk_ · Aug 07, 2009, 04:09 AM // 04:09

Wait, isn't AB one of the slower ways to gain Allegiance points now? Well, it's better than Challenge missions...maybe faster than Kurzick/Luxon arena quest farming...

I MP I · Aug 07, 2009, 04:14 AM // 04:14

Faction is ridiculously easy to get just do urgoz/deep mqsc/dtsc. Do JQ if you want balthazar faction faster than AB.

These titles are already throw away titles like protector. If you willin to spend the time to get em which aint that much longer.

The Air Revenger · Aug 07, 2009, 04:15 AM // 04:15

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Originally Posted by stevedallas

2. Make faction ridiculously easy to attain through means other than AB

AB is the worst way to get the title, anyone who really wants the title knows the good ways to farm. This title is really easy, a few weeks and you can max it.

lrn2 get faction easy and stop QQing

Gift3d · Aug 07, 2009, 04:23 AM // 04:23

I'm not sure why you proceeded with this horrible idea after the irrational thought of "i saw someone complain about AB, so let's screw the entire title up beyond recognition" in the first place to be honest.

AB is minimal faction for maximum time invested, so it's not like it matters in the smallest way anyways.

laksa and curry · Aug 07, 2009, 04:29 AM // 04:29

Oh nooo please. Wait is this a joke?^^

Sierraa · Aug 07, 2009, 04:31 AM // 04:31

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Originally Posted by stevedallas

The community invests entirely too much time and aggravation in discussions about AB. There are too many leechers, too many bots, too many people leaving.

The only solution for this would be a radical change that would permanently alter the faction system.

Here's an idea for a change to the Luxon and Kurzick titles...

1. Change them to character based
2. Make faction ridiculously easy to attain through means other than AB
3. Change faction earned through vanquishing an area to be based on the alliance that currently controls the outpost you enter the explorable area from.

Make these two titles throw-away titles, as simple to attain as the Protector titles.

1. How would you change for those who've already achieved max allegiance? I also hate the idea of having to grind that much faction for my 10 characters. No thank you.
2. MQSC and DTSC both give a lot of faction in a short amount of time. DTSC is around 17K for 15 minutes, not too sure about MQSC.
3. Sounds bad.

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This should stop botters, leechers and leavers in AB. The only people you'd have in AB would be:
1. People who are interested in moving the Kurzick-Luxon border
2. People interested in the Balthazar faction
3. People who love AB

Considerations:
1. Faction required to buy allegiance skills - raise it from 3k to some higher amount that would be equally easy to maintain when we're all drowning in faction under the new system
2. Faction required to maintain an outpost - while alliances would need to maintain higher faction to maintain an outpost, their ability to attain that faction would negate the issues caused by this.

I don't see how it'd stop botting and leeching in AB tbh. So long as there's faction (both kurz/lux and balth) there will be botting and leeching. Also the people who love to AB will continue to AB regardless of what happens, they're also the people who probably get their title through AB, where as the people like me who hate it, prefer to do DTSC.

/notsigned

majikmajikmajik · Aug 07, 2009, 04:32 AM // 04:32

you realise that this title was made easier like 3months ago right? thru quests,missions,elite areas, vanquishing, JQ, storybooks.

also, people have attained this title along time ago before all this was added, so id suggest getting like them, grind.

Zahr Dalsk · Aug 07, 2009, 04:35 AM // 04:35

Character based is bad.

I personally feel all titles should be account-based, so y'can see I wouldn't agree with this.

/notsigned

Nessar · Aug 07, 2009, 06:12 AM // 06:12

I stopped at character based. Grinding this title on 10 chars? Heh. It's fine the way it is.

/notsigned

refer · Aug 07, 2009, 06:16 AM // 06:16

Horrible Ideas. I already provided a solution to knocking leechers and bots out of faction farming too (check my started topics, faction at end of matches not real time). Why would I want a throw away title?

Ugh · Aug 07, 2009, 06:17 AM // 06:17

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Originally Posted by afmart

hell no, the only title that needs a little improvement is drunkard

If anything needs improvement, it's that damn gamer title. No one has it maxed yet.

And I disagree with these changes (1 and 3 particularly) for all the reasons already stated.

Phoenix Tears · Aug 07, 2009, 06:56 AM // 06:56

it are not the titles, that need the change to stop the botting, leeching ect. it are the dumb missions itself, which need a complete redesign to stop this silly problem...

PS: there are too many titles, that need changes to finally improve the fun factor of the game again, but anet is to dumb to realize that, too lazy to change them and especially too busy to do anythign at all, because al the jerks are only working on GW2...GW1 they don't care about anymore u receive here as feeling every day

- Drunkard Title:
* needs to get function like Sweettooth, ged rid of these god damn minute shit
* needs to become account based. no player is so damn idiotic to make such a brainless gold sink title more than once...making it is no damn achievement, it requires 0!!!!! skill..only gold and time... thats not the point of how character based titlees should be like ...
character based titles should ever require real effort, that again requires gaming skills...

- Sweettooth + Party animal: same as Drunkard, get this hsit finally account based..wisdom and treasure hunter got too and those two give the player even benefits >.<

- Zaishen
* needs either to be reduced to 10000 required keys to max, or the key points need to be doubled, with approximatly 50 mio gold in cost, this title would be still the the most ridiculous grind title of all

- Hero
* first 3 ranks need to become able to get by playing PvE, after that then the other ranks should be only gainable via PvP. PvE has plenty of possible ways to give the player a bit of fame, like for beating the game...ur a hero, you saved at all the god damn world !!!!
Otherwise this title needs a rename >.< because playing countless of times the hall of heroes has nothing to be with being a hero only because of that the place has the name hall of heroes...

- survivor
* has finally to reset exp to 0, once player dies on the way to r3, so that players don't get forced to delete the characters just for a new chance and also old characters would finally receive their chance to get those title. For reset would be needed only just 1 damn new npc... gold be alos some kind of gold sink, so that the player has to pay for example for exp reset 10p or so ...

- LDoA
* to be fair, this damn title needs also an hard to achieve alternative post presearing way to get this title... like beatign a certain amount of very special and difficult master quests all over the world of Tyria...say for example 3 in tyria 3 in cantha and 3 in elona..once done comes the final last 10th master quest in form of a real special mission that once played with achievement will unlock then the title to the play...all 10 quests/missions would be also only playable in hard mode ...
The game needs simple an better alternative, that offers for fairness all players that are out of the tutorial also an option to get the title, which should be as same as time consuming, like as if u stay in tutorial and die thousands of times like an idiot that has nothing better to do...

-alternative two: erase this title out of the list of monument titles, delete the title for all players who have it, because i find the only player who deserves this title is the player, who became very first lvl 20 in tutorial and was the reason for anet to implement the title..that one player imo has only the right to wear the title because he cam first onto this weird idea...

- gladiator:
* finally needs to become 1 point per win...better imo 1 point per kill in RA/TA..just naturally then with a fittign increase of points needed for max..but 5 wins in a row just for 1 damn point god damn SUCKS

- gamer:
* needs finally minigames in teh game, that are EVER playable and will the player points, so that we finally can work on this title whenever we like...

- lucky/unlucky:
* the game needs more options to receive points, other then only events or opening chests with lockpicks and hopefully don't breaking them >.< way too less alternative ways for points ...

* mosnters for example should also drop some kind of loot every now and then, that if consumed should get luck or unluck points... everytime if a mosnter drops somethign very rare like a gold or green item, player should get some luck points (1 or 2) everytime when you fail to find something gold out of a chest...some unluck points then ...anjd so on..game needs just more ways of getting points

RedStar · Aug 07, 2009, 06:56 AM // 06:56

/Notsigned.

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1. Change them character based

Not everyone gains faction on a single character.

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1. People who are interested in moving the Kurzick-Luxon border

The only persons who really cares about that border are those who are in a guild that have enough faction to own Harvest Temple and the few surrounding towns

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2. People interested in the Balthazar faction

It's better and faster to gain BF in RA than in AB.

gameshoes3003 · Aug 07, 2009, 07:09 AM // 07:09

Sorry, can't agree with your ideas.
/notsigned

Kook~NBK~ · Aug 07, 2009, 07:13 AM // 07:13

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Originally Posted by stevedallas

Here's an idea for a change to the Luxon and Kurzick titles...

1. Change them to character based

No, no and NO again!

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2. Make faction ridiculously easy to attain through means other than AB

Farming faction by vanquishing is easy enough - a lot of grinding, yes. But still easy.

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3. Change faction earned through vanquishing an area to be based on the alliance that currently controls the outpost you enter the explorable area from.

THIS would be nice - It's been suggested before. (I'd be spending a lot of time in Pongmei Valley, since it's a cake-walk to vanquish - I know it doesn't count toward either now, dagnabit!)

As for the rest - won't work. Getting tons of faction by killing things is still more work than leeching. And everyone knows how lazy those pathetic leechers are.